[Vanhackspace] Vanhackspace Digest, Vol 20, Issue 4

Nick Molnar neekolasmolnar at gmail.com
Sat Oct 3 22:34:24 PDT 2009 

Hey guys. For what it's worth, I had a great time at Barcamp today. There
were some great discussions about everything from the implications of
Twitter on public transportation to the relationship between Burning Man &
Barcamp. For any & all of you who participated, great job.

Joe, I do agree with you that there could have been more hands-on stuff at
Barcamp, but I wish that you had brought that energy to the event today. The
beauty of Barcamp is that it is a reflection of the people that show
up. It's too bad that there were people waiting for another event instead of
joining the hundreds of passionate people who were out today.

Joe is also right about the fact that what I am proposing won't interfere
with what VHS is doing. If anything, I think that a Techshop-like entity
would be an asset to VHS. You have experience, and that entity would have
equipment. There would be plenty of ways to exchange those resources so that
everyone was better off. We all share the goal of furthering the Vancouver
hacker community and facilitating awesome projects, so let's focus on that.

I'm still compiling all the notes/discussion from the session about
coworking. I'll put them on the Barcamp wiki tomorrow and ping this group
when I do.


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>   1. Re: BazCamp Vancouver (Austin)
>   2. Re: BazCamp Vancouver (Mike Cantelon)
>   3. Re: BazCamp Vancouver (Mike Cantelon)
>   4. Re: BazCamp Vancouver (Mike Cantelon)
>   5. Re: BazCamp Vancouver (dan anderson)
>   6. "Vancouver needs a world-class hacker lab" (Mike Cantelon)
>   7. Re: "Vancouver needs a world-class hacker lab" (Joe Bowser)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 03 Oct 2009 14:34:23 -0700
> From: Austin <austin at artefactual.com>
> To: vanhackspace at lists.uselessdegree.net
> Subject: Re: [Vanhackspace] BazCamp Vancouver
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> sounds proper!
>
>
>
> Joe Bowser wrote:
> >
> > Hey
> >
> > After looking at the BarCamp schedule, it's become clear that we need
> > to ramp up BazCamp.  BazCamp is much like SHHH, except that we will
> > have talks and do the unconference thing.
> >
> > There are also a few rules:
> >
> > 1. Must be Art, Wires, Craft or Code.  No stuff like DayTrading.  You
> > can't talk about making money unless you're a counterfeiter
> > 2. You can pitch your talk, but if the crowd doesn't feel its in the
> > BazCamp spirit, they can heckle or boo you out
> > 3. There may be an Ignite if we can get our shit together
> >
> > This is an attempt to get a larger event in VHS.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
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> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:04:42 -0700
> From: Mike Cantelon <mcantelon at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Vanhackspace] BazCamp Vancouver
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> After looking at the BarCamp schedule, it's become clear that we need to
> ramp up BazCamp.  BazCamp is much like SHHH, except that we will have talks
> and do the unconference thing.
> >
> > There are also a few rules:
> >
> > 1. Must be Art, Wires, Craft or Code.  No stuff like DayTrading.  You
> can't
> > talk about making money unless you're a counterfeiter
> > 2. You can pitch your talk, but if the crowd doesn't feel its in the
> > BazCamp spirit, they can heckle or boo you out
> > 3. There may be an Ignite if we can get our shit together
> >
> > This is an attempt to get a larger event in VHS.
> >
> "You can't talk about making money unless you're a counterfeiter".
>
> Sounds win. Any venue ideas?
>
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> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:04:42 -0700
> From: Mike Cantelon <mcantelon at gmail.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Vanhackspace] BazCamp Vancouver
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> After looking at the BarCamp schedule, it's become clear that we need to
> ramp up BazCamp.  BazCamp is much like SHHH, except that we will have talks
> and do the unconference thing.
> >
> > There are also a few rules:
> >
> > 1. Must be Art, Wires, Craft or Code.  No stuff like DayTrading.  You
> can't
> > talk about making money unless you're a counterfeiter
> > 2. You can pitch your talk, but if the crowd doesn't feel its in the
> > BazCamp spirit, they can heckle or boo you out
> > 3. There may be an Ignite if we can get our shit together
> >
> > This is an attempt to get a larger event in VHS.
> >
> "You can't talk about making money unless you're a counterfeiter".
>
> Sounds win. Any venue ideas?
>
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> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:06:29 -0700
> From: Mike Cantelon <mcantelon at gmail.com>
> To: vanhackspace at lists.uselessdegree.net
> Subject: Re: [Vanhackspace] BazCamp Vancouver
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> (Actually, upstairs would work for two tracks if we could divide the space
> up somehow. Dance space might not work because of shoes concern.)
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> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 15:39:01 -0800
> From: dan anderson <dan.j.anderson at gmail.com>
> To: vanhackspace at lists.uselessdegree.net
> Subject: Re: [Vanhackspace] BazCamp Vancouver
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> If anyone has unused carpeting which would do the floor of the dance room,
> that'd work and would only need a quick sweep afterwards. Of note, there's
> carpeting free on Craigslist all the time (eg. right now,
> http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/pml/zip/1404500634.html,
> http://vancouver.en.craigslist.ca/van/zip/1385064506.html, etc).
>
> -D
>
> 2009/10/3 Mike Cantelon <mcantelon at gmail.com>
>
> > (Actually, upstairs would work for two tracks if we could divide the
> space
> > up somehow. Dance space might not work because of shoes concern.)
> >
> > M
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> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 17:24:14 -0700
> From: Mike Cantelon <mcantelon at gmail.com>
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> Subject: [Vanhackspace] "Vancouver needs a world-class hacker lab"
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> The guy who posted on Hacker News about Vancouver needing a hack space was
> at Barcamp and is trying to recruit:
>
>  http://neekolas.tumblr.com/post/203426804/calling-all-mad-scientists
>
> I asked him on Twitter why he didn't mention VHS in his post. He said
> "Oversight
> on my part. Will correct. I don't want to leave VHS out of the convo.
> They're a great little org.". He said he has met with VHS folks. He said to
> someone else on Twitter that VHS has "different goals". I'm interested in
> how his goals are different as he hasn't specifiied this. My guess is his
> goal may be a for-profit hackspace (seeing as he's looking to invest his
> father's money in it).
>
> Anyways, just some random intel...
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> Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 19:27:15 -0700
> From: Joe Bowser <bowserj at gmail.com>
> To: vanhackspace at lists.uselessdegree.net
> Subject: Re: [Vanhackspace] "Vancouver needs a world-class hacker lab"
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> I wonder where he got the idea that VHS has different goals than what he is
> planning?
>
> Anyway, the more I hear about this guy, the more of a pompous ass he
> sounds.  Given the fact that other than the Tor talk, which was the same
> talk as what was at OpenWeb, the conference was full of Social Marketing
> stuff, and not very much technical content outside of what these people do,
> I don't think we have too much to worry about.  I'd worry about him if he
> actually interferes with VHS, right now he's just a douchebag trying to
> talk
> big without anything to back it up.  This sounds like the exact reason why
> I
> don't go to BarCamp, and why I bashed it in my BazCamp post.
>
> Joe
>
> On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Mike Cantelon <mcantelon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The guy who posted on Hacker News about Vancouver needing a hack space
> was
> > at Barcamp and is trying to recruit:
> >
> >   http://neekolas.tumblr.com/post/203426804/calling-all-mad-scientists
> >
> > I asked him on Twitter why he didn't mention VHS in his post. He said
> "Oversight
> > on my part. Will correct. I don't want to leave VHS out of the convo.
> > They're a great little org.". He said he has met with VHS folks. He said
> to
> > someone else on Twitter that VHS has "different goals". I'm interested in
> > how his goals are different as he hasn't specifiied this. My guess is his
> > goal may be a for-profit hackspace (seeing as he's looking to invest his
> > father's money in it).
> >
> > Anyways, just some random intel...
> >
> > M
> >
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