[Vanhackspace] hacker dojo

[Austin]

I kinda appreciate how the members at hacker dojo are paying $100.. also 
I appreciate that there are people going all in(donating $500 a month)  
they may be loaded or it could be a different class that they are 
accommodating but I believe strong dedication to the idea of vancouver 
hackspace  will be what gets it off the ground.  It seems that rent 
prices are about the same in our area as they are in sanfran .. if we 
want to survive we will have to be pulling in $2-3000, if this means 
that a few people have to make a high investment during the startup in 
exchange for some type of directive power...  I can accept this.  As any 
directors that vhs has should be following our constitution.. and our 
mission...  should we worry about there awesome powers...? of course as 
is everything, it shall be abused!  2cents


Joe Bowser wrote:
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> Luke Closs wrote:
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>> Hey,
>>
>> This may be more software than hardware hacking, but I really like the
>> structure of the new Hacker Dojo:
>>
>>   http://hackerdojo.pbwiki.com/
>>
>> I like how they structure it into Directors, Sponsors, Incubees, Full Time
>> Members, Part Time members, and Supporters.
>>
>> I suggest we adopt something similar.  I bet if we put this together at this
>> kind of tiered levels, we could start to get a clear(er) picture of what a
>> running VHS budget would be.
>>
>>     
>
> I dislike the fact that someone could buy themselves a directorship.
> While I have the money to put into the space right now to make sure that
> I have a say if we did adopt this system, I may not always in the
> future.  I like the idea of a tiered system, and entering into
> partnerships with various groups, I don't like the fact that their
> directors have that dollar value attached to them.  It seems very
> anti-democractic, and anti-lateral.
>
> I agree that people who use the space and materials should pay more, but
> this space looks very exclusive.  I don't know what the average income
> is for this area, but if we tried even halfing the fee requirements in
> Vancouver, VHS would probably shrink to being two people?  (I know that
> I can't afford that, and I'm far from being considered someone in need.)
>
> As far as what I've envisioned a VHS budget looking like, here's my vision:
>
> Fees:
>
> Full-Time Members (Come in Every Day, practically live there, have 24/7
> access): $50/month
> Part-Time Members (Only come in once or twice a week, no keys): $25/month
> Full-Time Low Income (Under $25,000): $25/month
> Part-Time Low Income (Under $25,000): $10/month
> Drop-In (Non-Open House): $5
> Drop-In (Open House): FREE (NOTA)
>
> Events Fees:
> Not for Profit: $5/hr (no tools), $15/hr (basic tools)
> For-Profit: $15/hr (no tools), $25/hr (basic tools)
>
> Drink Fridge:
> $2 Donation for Common Drinks (Regular Cola, b33r)
> $5 Donation for non-Common Drinks (Craft b33r, Club Mate, Hackerbrau, etc)
>
> Laser Fees:
> Full-Time: Free, Unlimited Lazoring
> Part-Time: 10 Lazored Items Per Month
> Everyone Else (Part time after 10 Lazor): $10/hr for Lazzor + Mats fee
>
> We would also have kits for sale, and have fundraiser parties.  I think
> it's important to have the NOTA fees in there, because:
>
> * We're in Canada, things cost more
> * We're in Vancouver, housing costs a lot
> * There's a HUGE cost disparity between the average Vancouver Software
> Developer and their American Counterparts.  (Relevant to other hackerspaces)
>
> I honestly think we have to be sensitive to the fact that not everyone
> can pay these fees, and that we have to diversify our income.  I think
> it'll come over time, and I don't think that it'll be easy, but I think
> it's worth it.
>
> I also want to have a discussion about class issues on the Hackerspaces
> discuss list because it's something that's been in the back of my head
> since Ella of PNA told me about it at a party at her place.  However,
> that's just the Anarchist in me talking.
>
> Joe
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